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		<title>By: CrumpArt &#187; It&#8217;s just that easy.</title>
		<link>http://andrewg.tv/blog/2007/01/25/vegan-is-the-new-hybrid-car/comment-page-1/#comment-5744</link>
		<dc:creator>CrumpArt &#187; It&#8217;s just that easy.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I shamelessly ripped these off from Andrew G&#8217;s blog entry about the same thing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I shamelessly ripped these off from Andrew G&#8217;s blog entry about the same thing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffro</title>
		<link>http://andrewg.tv/blog/2007/01/25/vegan-is-the-new-hybrid-car/comment-page-1/#comment-3790</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you&#039;re sitting there at your computer
Thinkin&#039;, &#039;Can I be less a polluter?&#039;
Just cut out the meat
From the food that you eat...
As good as becoming a hybrid commuter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you&#8217;re sitting there at your computer<br />
Thinkin&#8217;, &#8216;Can I be less a polluter?&#8217;<br />
Just cut out the meat<br />
From the food that you eat&#8230;<br />
As good as becoming a hybrid commuter?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffro</title>
		<link>http://andrewg.tv/blog/2007/01/25/vegan-is-the-new-hybrid-car/comment-page-1/#comment-3628</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G, I&#039;m glad it was only for a moment... I don&#039;t &lt;b&gt;at all&lt;/b&gt; mean that individuals should not do what they can; nor that individuals cannot make a difference. Indeed, there would be little point in anyone ever doing anything if that were the case.

My comments were questioning the logic of the comparison between &lt;em&gt;usage&lt;/em&gt; of a product (deciding between a Prius or a Canyonero, resulting in personally contributing more or fewer carbon emissions) with &lt;em&gt;production&lt;/em&gt; of a product (BeefCo producing &lt;em&gt;n&lt;/em&gt; tonnes of meat, resulting in a specific cost to the environment before it even hits the supermarket shelf, and therefore whether we buy it or not).

Individuals do have power... they have power to decide what car they will buy... and they have power to decide what they will eat... and they have power to speak up about wasteful use of resources - such as those used for the production of meat. My point was that they &lt;em&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; have power to prevent the expenditure of resources that have &lt;em&gt;already&lt;/em&gt; been used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G, I&#8217;m glad it was only for a moment&#8230; I don&#8217;t <b>at all</b> mean that individuals should not do what they can; nor that individuals cannot make a difference. Indeed, there would be little point in anyone ever doing anything if that were the case.</p>
<p>My comments were questioning the logic of the comparison between <em>usage</em> of a product (deciding between a Prius or a Canyonero, resulting in personally contributing more or fewer carbon emissions) with <em>production</em> of a product (BeefCo producing <em>n</em> tonnes of meat, resulting in a specific cost to the environment before it even hits the supermarket shelf, and therefore whether we buy it or not).</p>
<p>Individuals do have power&#8230; they have power to decide what car they will buy&#8230; and they have power to decide what they will eat&#8230; and they have power to speak up about wasteful use of resources &#8211; such as those used for the production of meat. My point was that they <em>don&#8217;t</em> have power to prevent the expenditure of resources that have <em>already</em> been used.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew G</title>
		<link>http://andrewg.tv/blog/2007/01/25/vegan-is-the-new-hybrid-car/comment-page-1/#comment-3627</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 06:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, for a moment there, in your initial argument, I thought that you&#039;re essentially saying, &quot;Don&#039;t bother to vote because your one little vote won&#039;t matter.&quot;

I thought that you might have cause imply that the individual has no power. 

I am sure I am wrong...

xx aa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, for a moment there, in your initial argument, I thought that you&#8217;re essentially saying, &#8220;Don&#8217;t bother to vote because your one little vote won&#8217;t matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought that you might have cause imply that the individual has no power. </p>
<p>I am sure I am wrong&#8230;</p>
<p>xx aa</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffro</title>
		<link>http://andrewg.tv/blog/2007/01/25/vegan-is-the-new-hybrid-car/comment-page-1/#comment-3626</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 05:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But is Vegan &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; the new Hybrid car? That is, is the comparison truly valid? If an individual buys a hybrid car instead of a Canyonero, then there is a measurable reduction in the carbon emissions that the person is contributing. Even though there may be the same number of Canyoneros produced, there would be one less on the road.

But if an &lt;em&gt;individual&lt;/em&gt; becomes Vegan, the corporations are still producing, feeding, killing, transporting, and processing the same amount of meat. Corporations take notice of much larger trends than an individual - or a &lt;em&gt;few&lt;/em&gt; - making a change. Therefore I would contend that the idealistic view that &quot;the average American does more to reduce global warming emissions by going vegetarian than by switching to a Prius&quot; is, regretably, a delusion.

(Unfortunately, this analysis of the comparison is struck by the very same problem that taints the comparison itself: Comparing &lt;em&gt;usage&lt;/em&gt; of a product with &lt;em&gt;production&lt;/em&gt; of a product.)

I am not saying that people should not try to make whatever difference they can. What I am saying is that by far the most carbon emissions are generated by corporations. For them to change, there needs to be an exremely profound change in society&#039;s view of consumerism on a broad scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But is Vegan <em>really</em> the new Hybrid car? That is, is the comparison truly valid? If an individual buys a hybrid car instead of a Canyonero, then there is a measurable reduction in the carbon emissions that the person is contributing. Even though there may be the same number of Canyoneros produced, there would be one less on the road.</p>
<p>But if an <em>individual</em> becomes Vegan, the corporations are still producing, feeding, killing, transporting, and processing the same amount of meat. Corporations take notice of much larger trends than an individual &#8211; or a <em>few</em> &#8211; making a change. Therefore I would contend that the idealistic view that &#8220;the average American does more to reduce global warming emissions by going vegetarian than by switching to a Prius&#8221; is, regretably, a delusion.</p>
<p>(Unfortunately, this analysis of the comparison is struck by the very same problem that taints the comparison itself: Comparing <em>usage</em> of a product with <em>production</em> of a product.)</p>
<p>I am not saying that people should not try to make whatever difference they can. What I am saying is that by far the most carbon emissions are generated by corporations. For them to change, there needs to be an exremely profound change in society&#8217;s view of consumerism on a broad scale.</p>
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		<title>By: -dsta-</title>
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		<dc:creator>-dsta-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, i get asked a lot by my friends why i recently turned vegetarian and well, i usually direct them to the Meatrix site because my friends seem to interrupt me before I can ever finish saying what I really wanted to say. 

unlike my other friend who is in love with animals and &#039;forces&#039; her opinion onto everyone to &#039;not eat a life,&#039; i&#039;m vego for different reasons. I mean, we were born to eat animals, werent we? Didn&#039;t we learn that from Charles Darwin? But times have changed. We don&#039;t hunt for meat, we now harvest it. And yes, it&#039;s ruining the world.

I started being vegetarian in October last year, and I know that I should have started sooner, but at least I&#039;ve started. 

To go vegan is hardcore Andrew. never doubt that. (it&#039;s a compliment) =)

Once I finish uni I really do hope that I can maybe start a business or a company to get the word out. Or maybe I&#039;ll just write a letter to the new Australian of the Year. 

if you&#039;re a hybrid car, i guess im still public transport. :/

thanks for the insightful blog.

=Deb=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, i get asked a lot by my friends why i recently turned vegetarian and well, i usually direct them to the Meatrix site because my friends seem to interrupt me before I can ever finish saying what I really wanted to say. </p>
<p>unlike my other friend who is in love with animals and &#8216;forces&#8217; her opinion onto everyone to &#8216;not eat a life,&#8217; i&#8217;m vego for different reasons. I mean, we were born to eat animals, werent we? Didn&#8217;t we learn that from Charles Darwin? But times have changed. We don&#8217;t hunt for meat, we now harvest it. And yes, it&#8217;s ruining the world.</p>
<p>I started being vegetarian in October last year, and I know that I should have started sooner, but at least I&#8217;ve started. </p>
<p>To go vegan is hardcore Andrew. never doubt that. (it&#8217;s a compliment) =)</p>
<p>Once I finish uni I really do hope that I can maybe start a business or a company to get the word out. Or maybe I&#8217;ll just write a letter to the new Australian of the Year. </p>
<p>if you&#8217;re a hybrid car, i guess im still public transport. :/</p>
<p>thanks for the insightful blog.</p>
<p>=Deb=</p>
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		<title>By: Eva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of eating what we need and being self sufficient, we have evolved into a reckless, greedy, consumer driven species.  

We want bigger, cheaper, and more of it.  One house is not enough.  The meat we buy has to be the biggest for the cheapest price, and is eaten as often as possible.   McDonalds is another example of this mind set.  

There is so much wastage.  Think about all the meat, fruit, and vegetables that are thrown away when they are no longer fit for consumption; and packaged food when they have reached their use by date.  We only consume a fraction of what is on display.

If we practice a more self sufficient way of living we would cause much less of an impact on the environment.  Organic farming is really important because the chemicals sprayed on plants have far reaching effects on the habitat of animals.  We often forget that we are sharing this planet with other organisms, and they don’t have a voice.

Not only is the climate changing, lifestyle related disease is prevalent, and a growing list of animals are going extinct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of eating what we need and being self sufficient, we have evolved into a reckless, greedy, consumer driven species.  </p>
<p>We want bigger, cheaper, and more of it.  One house is not enough.  The meat we buy has to be the biggest for the cheapest price, and is eaten as often as possible.   McDonalds is another example of this mind set.  </p>
<p>There is so much wastage.  Think about all the meat, fruit, and vegetables that are thrown away when they are no longer fit for consumption; and packaged food when they have reached their use by date.  We only consume a fraction of what is on display.</p>
<p>If we practice a more self sufficient way of living we would cause much less of an impact on the environment.  Organic farming is really important because the chemicals sprayed on plants have far reaching effects on the habitat of animals.  We often forget that we are sharing this planet with other organisms, and they don’t have a voice.</p>
<p>Not only is the climate changing, lifestyle related disease is prevalent, and a growing list of animals are going extinct.</p>
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		<title>By: jitterbug</title>
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		<dc:creator>jitterbug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a 9 month old Jersey calf. She is so loving and adorable with the biggest brown eyes. Everyone comments on her. I often look at her and wonder how anyone could kill and eat an animal like her. It breaks my heart. I&#039;ve been told &quot;Cows feel no pain&quot;. Bullshit!! I&#039;ve had to inject her with medicine and it hurt her.
Yes, Global Warming is terrifying, but think of those poor animals too!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 9 month old Jersey calf. She is so loving and adorable with the biggest brown eyes. Everyone comments on her. I often look at her and wonder how anyone could kill and eat an animal like her. It breaks my heart. I&#8217;ve been told &#8220;Cows feel no pain&#8221;. Bullshit!! I&#8217;ve had to inject her with medicine and it hurt her.<br />
Yes, Global Warming is terrifying, but think of those poor animals too!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Hopeful</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hopeful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good reason to consider this lifestyle option; I&#039;m considering it for many reasons but this may be the best. The report on global warming scared the hell out of me and lets hope it affects everyone in this way. All of this damage to our glorious planet and it only took us 50 or 60 years. If we &quot;sober up&quot; right now and all think of what we can all do individually maybe this dunderheaded world can actually leave a planet for future generations to enjoy. If panic is what it takes then bring it on! 
Keep making us think about the issues that really matter Andrew. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good reason to consider this lifestyle option; I&#8217;m considering it for many reasons but this may be the best. The report on global warming scared the hell out of me and lets hope it affects everyone in this way. All of this damage to our glorious planet and it only took us 50 or 60 years. If we &#8220;sober up&#8221; right now and all think of what we can all do individually maybe this dunderheaded world can actually leave a planet for future generations to enjoy. If panic is what it takes then bring it on!<br />
Keep making us think about the issues that really matter Andrew. Thanks.</p>
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